February 16, 2019

Jim Stone: More Info on MH17

Russian satellites and American satellites recorded the truth

(Jim Stone Freelance) America is being forced to backtrack on accusations that Russia downed flight MH17 after Russia produced proof that (as this web site reported on day one,) Ukranian fighter jets were accompanying flight MH17. Now an AP reporter has also stepped forward, saying that all along, from day one, he was shown proof that American satellites also tracked the shoot down, and that America knew Ukraine downed the plane as well.

On day one this web site clearly stated this shoot down was done in Ukraine BY UKRAINE when the real MH17 is never supposed to get within 200 KM of where this plane was shot down. This shoot down was done 200KM East of MH17´s established flight path because the outcome of the investigation could be controlled in that region and falsified to forever hide that beyond a reasonable doubt the plane was in fact flight 370. A real investigation would look at serial numbers on parts which would identify the plane they came from, and would not be limited to photos of a paint job and even those photos are totally messed up when all sources of them are put together in the same bin. A summary of the evidence proving this was flight 370, including what happened to the MH17 “passengers” is below:

Questions answered

The most asked question is “what about the passengers who boarded MH17.”? Answer: Obviously, with the doctors claiming to have DNA identified the passengers on day two which is days too soon because you need two samples to identify anyone – one from before the passenger boarded which would be gathered from the home and one of the passenger, to match to the passenger, that statement is patently false because it could not be done that quickly and if they had to say that and were willing to this early on, they are lying about everything and it then becomes obvious that perhaps NONE of the stated passengers were aboard.

It is impossible get DNA identification THAT FAST when samples have to be gathered from Holland, China, Malaysia and other places from homes and elsewhere to be matched against people on the plane, and the fact the MSM is reporting that this was accomplished within two days, analyzed and matched to passengers proves the entire official story is a lie. It would be difficult to get to even one home and collect a decent sample in two days, let alone every home everywhere, and AFTER getting that sample then actually analyze it, a process which by itself takes days.

The obviously brand new passports also proves no one listed actually boarded any flight MH17.

Every passport gathered from the wreckage was absolutely totally and completely sparkly new as if it had never been touched before. This was shown in numerous youtube videos and higher quality photos. In any stack of passports gathered from people at random you would probably get one or two like that, but the fact that not a single one showed any wear at all proves that they were all printed a couple days prior to be used for falsifying who was on the plane. There should have been a mix of new, lightly used and totally dog eared passports if they really were as claimed. Once again, along with the phony DNA identification claims, the all 100 percent sparkly new passports reveal the lie. Obviously ZERO passports were on that plane, and a psy op team went through the wreckage and threw them there. The shoot down was well planned and teams were ready.

The rotten bodies proves no one living boarded that plane

Military commanders confirmed that a large portion of the bodies in the wreckage were rotten, drained of blood and dead for days before the plane even took off. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ANOMALY WITH A RATIONAL BRAIN? Well, Rense said they were in the cargo hold and regular passengers were in the cabin, but that is a dubious claim when the air in the cargo hold of a 777 (which is pressurized) gets circulated through the main cabin as well as a normal matter of course which would have stunk so bad NO ONE would ever board, there were TONS of sparkly new passports and not a single used one, and “everyone was already DNA identified on DAY TWO” which would be flatly impossible.

The fact that flight MH17 continued on schedule without a hitch afterward also proves no one living boarded MH17 BECAUSE THAT ROUTE LOST ZERO AIRPLANES.

The fact that it is business as usual already also proves Route MH17 never lost an airplane. Can you see what I am getting at here? If you are waiting for the liars in the media to say OH, WE DID IT, THAT WAS FLIGHT 370, WE FAKED THE PASSPORTS, FAKED THE BOARDING LOGS FOR MH17 TO SPOOF BUSINESS AS USUAL AND SHOT DOWN FLIGHT 370 WITH ROTTEN BODIES ABOARD you are waiting for pathological liars to get well.

BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE!

The media lies in this psy op just keep on giving – such as the 108 dead aids researchers on the plane, which this web site totally trashed, forcing a redaction of that statement and a reduction of that number to SIX. 108 DOES NOT EQUAL SIX. HOW DOES THAT MATCH THE BOARDING LOG? Quite well if it was phony and NEVER EXISTED.

How about another media screw up?

How about this one – the plane was 200 KM off course, 200KM TOO FAR INTO UKRAINE, 200 KM FARTHER THAN IT WOULD EVER BELONG AND THE MEDIA NEVER SAID IT. WHY? ANSWER: Because it had to be 200 KM off course to get to where completely zionist controlled people were to make good and sure a legitimate investigation, which would have identified it as flight 370, never got done. And it also as a bonus could be used to spin the lie that Russia did it.

And what about the three different departure times stated in the media? And the fact that it was listed as cancelled by the biggest aircraft tracking web site out there?

Obviously no one could get a departure time for MH17, because it stayed on the ground and a different plane took off so everyone in the media guessed and that created conflicts.

Is it obvious now? Sparkly clean passports showing up with no used ones in the mix, Completely DNA matched passengers being stated in the news when it is flatly impossible to even get pre crash samples that fast, the fact that NO ONE living would board a plane that had rotting corpses aboard, corpses that were not bagged and showed up in the wreckage like normal passengers, 108 aids doctors supposedly on the flight manifest reduced to 6, the plane being 200KM off course for no reason, THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTURE TIMES STATED, the largest flight web site listing it as canceled, THE PERFECT RESUMPTION OF FLIGHT MH17 AS IF NOT A SINGLE PLANE WAS LOST and probably 50 other details out there to be had PROVES THERE WAS NO MH17 AND THIS WAS DISPOSAL OF A DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT AND LOAD OF PASSENGERS.

What more can I say? I cannot think for you, if you are STILL ASKING WHAT ABOUT THE PASSENGERS WHO BOARDED MH17 WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE PERFECTLY DOCUMENTED IN THE PAGE BELOW, I GIVE UP.

HERE IS THE OBVIOUS ANSWER: Someone with a billion dollar budget bought all seats on MH17, ordered the plane to stay grounded, created fake boarding log, drafted up fake passports, and remote flew flight 370 and all original people on flight 370 out of the same airport while making sure they were good and dead beforehand so they could not talk about Diego Garcia, mixed them with perhaps a few other undesirables that were already whacked as well and then flew flight 370 to its final disposal over Ukraine. They had to get rid of that plane somehow, and the perfect corresponding time of shootdown with the time of the beginning of the ground assault on Gaza pretty much sews up WHO STOLE FLIGHT 370.

Oh please NOT AGAIN!

“http://www.accesstomedicineindex.org/joep-lange-will-be-greatly-missed [1]

So, yes, the original 100 was a lie, but Joep Lange was an important AIDS-researcher.”

My response:

In getting the truth, you HAVE TO stay perfectly rooted in established FACT, which is: They stated 108 aids researchers were aboard via the “boarding log”, were forced to redact it, which means THERE NEVER WAS A BOARDING LOG AND EITHER JOE NEVER EXISTED OR THEY KILLED HIM AND LOADED HIM IN WITH THE CORPSES ON FLIGHT 370 BECAUSE HE WAS INCONVENIENT.

They blew this psy op so badly there is no going back for them, the only accurate statement was there was a shoot down with rotten bodies aboard. The rest is BULLSHIT.

Dario wrote:

“I am sure you have already seen this or someone has informed you of this but Flightaware has changed its flight path data for MH17 for most of its flights before July 17th. It now shows the flight going right over Donetsk and Torez. Clearly tampered and manipulated!! Unfortunately I did not take any screenshots but I looked at this closely and clearly remember the flight paths south of the war zone in Eastern Ukraine going over NE of the Black Sea, Sea of Azov.”

Dario

My response:

I am well aware of this tampering, it happened early on and it will probably fool the CNN crowd, which pretty much cannot be saved anyway. But there are lots of screen captures of the original record out there in the alternative press (and I saw these live before modification myself), which prove beyond a doubt that many “official sources” cannot be trusted AT ALL because they will falsify data to fit the official story. The Fukushima report produced by this web site nailed the USGS for falsifying info exactly the same way,

thanks for writing!

Amy wrote:

Hey Jim, Hope you are well. I read your page several times a day and have turned so many people on to it and I want to thank you for all you are doing.

Not sure if you have already seen this video from Vice News. Its pretty disturbing but I wanted to point out the parts where bodies hit the ground and there isnt a drop of blood around them. Especially the guy in the road. It just totally supports the fact that they were drained.

https://news.vice.com/video/exclusive-footage-of-mh17-aftermath-russian-roulette-dispatch-60

Be well,

Amy

My response:

I will post this, I am getting a headache and appreciate a freebie, good work, Thanks! Upon looking at the video, I have to agree you are absolutely correct. 10 years ago I witnessed a high rise suicide jump, and there was so much blood from the body the fire department came and sprayed the scene with hoses to clean it up. The lack of blood from multiple bodies in the video from an even greater fall says it ALL. Thanks for the super clear video link.

James

July 20 2014

DNA PROOF SUBMITTED AT LEAST A WEEK TOO SOON PROVES IDENTIFICATION OF PASSENGERS FALSE

Toni wrote:

Today I picked up my sister who flew in from the netherlands. She tells me that a team of doctors from the Netherlands went to the crash site and identified people on board as the people who checked in flight MH17. Including DNA proof. I told her I doubt that is possible in such a short time.

My response:

DNA identification requires a pre crash sample to be available for all passengers. There is NO WAY they could have located even ONE pre crash sample this quickly and then used it to identify even ONE passenger in only two days. The machines may go that fast with really good samples if you start from day one with both samples in the lab, but HOW, with passengers from Malaysia, China, Australia, the Netherlands and many other places could that happen? ANSWER: THERE WAS NO DNA IDENTIFICATION and now that this lie has been spun WAY TOO SOON, THERE NEVER WILL BE. Just like when Israel verifies the DNA of a “suicide bomber” and bulldozes the neighborhood within two hours of a “bombing”, such lies are for the foolish. DO NOT be counted among them.

If a super sleuth crack team of experts was deployed and had the best of the best gear ON SITE IN UKRAINE, and a complimentary team ready to pounce right on the home of a crash victim you might see the first true result in FIVE DAYS if they got VERY LUCKY, with most in a week and a half, and many never identified at all because no pre crash sample was there to be had. Why would there be a rush to report this anyway (true or not), other than to steer public opinion?

With recombinant technology vastly improved over years prior, it might be possible to get a match in two days IF AND ONLY IF at the exact beginning of those two days both samples were available, both samples were very large and of high quality and both samples went straight into the equipment immediately. But with pre crash samples needing to be ferreted out from homes and posessions and being of imperfect quality, and the body over a thousand KM away, two days is laughably foolish – it simply would never happen.

I say ZERO dead aids doctors or live passengers or pilots, and only corpses loaded and flown via remote

DEAR RENSE AND YOSHI, YOU SCREWED UP BIG TIME. BECAUSE ON A 777, THE CARGO BAY IS PRESSURIZED AND RECEIVES THE EXACT SAME AIR THE CABIN DOES. THERE IS NO SEPARATION IN THIS ON A 777 WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE 777 BECAUSE IT IS THAT WAY WITH ALL MODELS, AND IF LIVE PASSENGERS SHARED THE SAME AIRSPACE AS ROTTING CORPSES, WELL, THEY WOULD NOT GET ON THAT PLANE WOULD THEY? WHAT WOULD THE PILOTS THINK? YOU ARE BUSTED RENSE, GET THAT LIE OF YOURS ABOUT DISEASED DEAD CORPSES IN THE CARGO BAY WITH LIVE PEOPLE IN THE CABIN OFF THE WEB.

And why load diseased corpses into a plane that was going to be shot down in the middle of nowhere? The diseased corpses cargo bay story is absolute crp and that is all there is to it. I am actually angry with Rense for spinning that kind of bunk out of nowhere and or allowing Yoshi to peddle that crp on such a large venue, as angry as I am for having an Australian newspaper make the the same type of lie up about 108 dead doctors when there is no way ANY doctor has a nose that would have permitted boarding that plane AT ALL.

For another example of blatant disinfo, one only needs to look at the report about the 108 dead aids researchers on the plane, which was also totally fabricated news from a mainstream Australian newspaper. After this web site gutted that lie, the “official” story was changed to the number SIX.

The fact that they used the number SIX is proof that story is also a lie.

Here is a good tip for finding lies or fabricated stories in the news. If the number SIX is used, that is Jewish code for the story highly probably being a fabrication. Six is the favorite Jewish number, it is what they always use, and since a lower number of dead aids doctors was necessary to come up with, (a MUCH LOWER NUMBER,) the next lie was spun with the number SIX.

If you ever see the number six used to count victims or witnesses or anything else, count on an approximately 90 percent probability that the story is FALSE, especially when obviously the number of doctors on that plane was ZERO. Since there is no air separation between the cargo hold and the main cabin, ONLY CORPSES WERE ON THAT PLANE, NOT ONE LIVE BODY WAS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE RUN OFF THAT PLANE IN DISGUST.

HERE IS WHY: In the wreckage the rotten corpses were not bagged or shielded from their environment in ANY WAY. This makes the entire notion of having live people, ESPECIALLY DOCTORS WHO MIGHT KNOW THAT SMELL, on that plane at all.

Bottom line? The shared airspace in the cargo hold and cabin once again supports the entire notion that the shoot down plane really was flight 370, and it was either autopiloted or remote controlled to the shoot down location. No live passenger would have boarded and no pilot would have either with no separation between them and rotting corpses in a sealed environment, the shared airspace leaves only ONE ANSWER, which is:

Someone with billion dollar funding bought all seats on the flight to suit the records, fake identities and accompanying passports were provided, the plane was swapped, the flight was listed as canceled, and flight 370 took off and was used for the shoot down. It was flown 200 KM off course to get to the correct region for shoot down.

Afterward route MH17 continued perfectly on schedule as if no crash happened at all. That is because route MH17 lost no planes and could just resume as normal. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks because it genuinely vanished, yet again confirming MH17 lost no aircraft at all. And all people on flight 370 were killed well in advance of this false flag shoot down to make good and sure NO ONE would survive the crash to talk about what happened at Diego Garcia.

And the pristine passports also tell the story, there was not one recovered that looked the least bit used. Obviously they were made days before this false flag, and whoever fronted it did not expect any intact bodies to make it through the crash. Usually with high speed crashes bodies are erased. In this case, that assumption was a huge mistake.

And what about Gaza? That is even more motiviation for ditching flight 370 at this time, to draw the public eye away from an even bigger crime to a lesser one to be milked as many ways as possible, including an attempt to frame Russia for a plane shoot down. That is so Jewish, turn two events that should be a death sentence for the tribe into an opportunity to wage yet another war, no doubt one which will only shed goy blood.

108 aids conference delegates suddenly dropped to six proves entire “missing and dead” script from MH17 a fabrication.

Many news sites picked this 108 number up, and this ONE THING, which was a HUGE LIE, proves that there were NO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PASSENGERS ON FLIGHT MH17. The redactions of the 108 aids conference delegates proves the entire list false, if you drop the number 108 down to six, who were the other 102? The mainstream media is hiccuping and backtracking and tripping all over itself trying to plug holes in their story and praying for short memories and impressionable attention deficit minds, please watch the puppet on the left while the “magic” is done elsewhere and OH GOD may they forget all the lies we spun and just hop right back into tomorrows script without thought or memory AT ALL.

July 19 2014

It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder.

Alin wrote:

I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn’t it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?
Thank you,
Alin

My response:

That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies on the shot down plane were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we have to go with for the initial clue, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.

July 19 coverage starts here

Do not forget Gaza, which this shoot down was in part used for to occupy the news with something else

AIDS Microbiologists on MH17 story a HOAX!

As I suspected, when a major Australian paper reported that 100 top aids researchers were on MH17, the story was a hoax. As it turns out, the official airline serving the conference is Emirates Airlines, which is offering steep discounts on air travel to the conference, and is listed as the official airline serving the conference. This puts the 100 dead microbiologists on A SINGLE MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT that in reality left too early anyway into the HOAX category, FIGURE THE ODDS.

John wrote: Predictive programming for MH17 on “The Strain”

Hollywood famous Guillermo del Toro directed & wrote the season premiere of “The Strain” which aired on July 13th on FX (Fox owned network) just 4 days before MH-17. In the episode a BOEING jetliner arrives @ JFK from Europe with everyone dead on board, drained of blood & already decomposing.

My comment: Just like the bodies on crashed “mh17”. Also see this: The exact true scenario for 911 was released by FOXsix months before 911, predictive programming has also occurred on other occasions so this does not surprise me at all

Alin wrote:

I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn’t it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?

Thank you,

Alin

My response:

That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we can go with, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.

MH17 Keeps flying on schedule despite “shoot down”

Something new came in today, which makes me want to once again pop a HUGE question: Why is MH17 flying as if nothing happened after this shoot down, when after flight 370 vanished, flight 370 did not resume for WEEKS? The answer is obvious, and that is that the shot down plane was in fact flight 370. The rotted bodies prove it, and A HUGE piece of additional information came in today which is another SMOKING GUN – Tobia wrote:

“Wondering what the deal is with the picture that the Dutch man supposedly took at Schipholi before departure, mentioning “This is how the plane looks like in case it disappears” (or something like that)? You can clearly see part of the serial number on the front landing gear hatch: it says RC, which should be part of the nr 9MMRC, a MH17 clone plane that according to flightradar24 departed for Kuala Lumpur on the 11th, and since then no flight at all.”

My response:

Answer: The plane used for the shoot down was NOT MH17, and this is all a setup. Errors like this are made by psyop teams who forget to factor in every possible variable.

I have a woman writing me saying a friend of a friend was on that plane, and is now missing. And I do not believe it. If Military commanders said the bodies were rotten at the moment of crash, this means dead for days before this shoot down, and no friend of hers was on that plane. It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder. I hate to sound harsh, but as Glenn Beck, who trashed the Philip Wood report would have it, Philip Wood is now dead. The enemy of all of us resides within the mainstream media.

It has been anounced that because rebels got to the crash first, NO ANALYSIS OF THE CRASH CAN BE DONE.

How convenient. Let me tell you why no analysis can be done. Because Ukraine is totally zionist controlled, and they do not want answers getting out. These answers will be provided by serial numbers on all the parts. Flight 370 was a brand spankin new aircraft, at a little under two years old. And it would be impossible to dispose of. You might be able to go through it and rob the aluminum and get that recycled without anyone pegging you, but what about the landing gear, hydraulic pumps, fuel pumps, engines or anything else? Those parts would have been impossible to dispose of because they are all tracked via serial number and the serial numbers are all tracked to the plane they came from. The only way to ditch flight 370 would be to do so in a war zone in a totally controlled puppet state where you could blame circumstances for the inability to conduct a proper investigation. I guess you could also ditch it at sea, but there are satellites, RUSSIAN SATELLITES that could nail you doing it.

July 18 2014

Military Commander: Passengers dead long before plane took off

MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370

July 18 2014

The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been loaded on the plane dead to make sure no one could speak about what went on.

From the Washington Times:

“MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.”

My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal. If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. A good example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage.

Additionally, MH17 returned immediately to normal flight schedules after this shoot down, and I beg to question HOW if a real MH17 plane was lost. The only incomplete flight is the shoot down flight. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks after the jet supporting it disappeared, why not the same scenario for MH17 if it really did get shot down? Answer: The shot down plane was the disposal of flight 370, being reported as MH17 to cover it up thus leaving MH17 in a position to return to normal immediately. Dead men tell no tales? Perhaps if they are NOT LOADED ONTO A PLANE ROTTEN.

As I suspected, MH17 is NOT supposed to over fly Eastern Ukraine

MH17 flies over Western Ukraine because the curvature of the earth makes flying over a small portion of Western Ukraine the shortest route. And I calculated that, only to be put off by a piece of disinfo which showed the flight path accomodating this “shoot down”. MH17 indeed does not fly a straight line by appearances on a map, but it also does not curve extremely far east as now shown on disinfo sites to accomodate the “official” story. And someone else nailed this, and it ended up in my mail box.

Yonatan said…

If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its published route. It doesn’t fly over the eastern land border between Ukraine and Russia. It crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.

What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by Ukrainian authorities?

Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to compose this update, FlightAware’s data has been updated to show the aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both before and after FlightAware data.

A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk / Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.

Something’s fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.

MY COMMENT: YEP. AS FISHY AS MISSING FLIGHT 370. I knew it! Eastern Ukraine is NOT the correct flight path for the real MH17, which is why MH17 is now flying perfectly on schedule again! a different 777 was used for this. UPDATE: This got expunged and no longer exists. I suggest people verify for themselves, flight MH17 DOES NOT GO TO WHERE THIS SHOOT DOWN HAPPENED, NOT EVEN WITHIN 175 KILOMETERS OF WHERE IT HAPPENED. I called this on day one, only to be railroaded by B.S. put up ahead of time to no doubt stifle any search for the flight path for MH17. That alone is a smoking gun, this was set up well in advance.

My estimation of earth curvature had MH17 passing over a very small portion of Western Ukraine, never getting within 250 KM of Russia. I sure would like to see the published route, but the page it was on has BEEN REMOVED. Censorship is ruling the day, more so with this than any other event so far.

Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes

Whoever controls the internet is swapping out screen captures I have posted with alternative images that have completely different file names and are not even on my server. I cannot stop this from happening, if anything conflicts the text will have to do. This is HUGE, and the swap outs have been done to linked tweets, linked testimony of witnesses, and screen captures which strongly indicate that MH17 never took off on July 17, and therefore a different plane had to have been used. This would slam dunk the 100 dead aids doctors story, which I think is BOGUS.

I seriously think the 100 dead doctors story is disinfo, in fact I am going to CALL IT. However, it is going to be huge so I have to at least mention it: 100 top aids researchers were on flight MH17 but keep in mind that counter stories that are really likely to go viral will be launched to muddy the waters with anything such as the downing of flight 370. I would be aware of this but skeptical. 100 doctors? HOW BIG IS THAT CONFERENCE, IF IT STUFFED 100 DOCTORS FROM A SMALL COUNTRY ONTO A SINGLE PLANE DAYS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE? I CALL B.S. from that alone!

Pa Namby wrote:

“.. of air crashes. No images of people asking for fate, complaining, crying, etc. Usually the first air disasters coverage is reporting on familiar’s reactions. I have seen nothing…have you?”

My response: Good point. The families of flight 370 already did that!

One huge problem is that flight MH17 resumed as usual with the only missing flight being the shoot down, which by itself is very strange considering the nature of the shoot down. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks so I beg to question why MH17 continued without a hiccup if it really had been shot down. But since the report about the doctors and the aids conference is in the rounds, I at least have to mention it, though I doubt it. There is too much other evidence to the contrary, such as MH17 IS ALREADY ON SCHEDULE AGAIN.

Here is the most heavily censored event, and the background on it

Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story: FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17

Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the control tower at Kiev Borispol Airport which was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These “replacements by force” were obviously put there to front the official story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE, which has had this link vanish from this site for some readers. If the link is not visible check back later and I will have a capture here. If these people succesfully speak, the fact that “MH17” was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.

Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.

If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the U.S.

It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts. Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of the debris will be carried out “appropriately”.

Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.

If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change them and get away with it.

So what actually happened as far as I see it?

The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport. Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide “pilot feedback” from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate time it was shot down.

HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive Israeli ground assault on Gaza to divert public attention to something else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it blocks out the sky above all other reason.

So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of, and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of this will ever be “officially” documented, the logic certainly fits.

And a final nail – MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS.

For the information hounds out there, Nodisinfo retracted their hoax report most likely on word that the bodies were dead long before the flight took off, which explained too many of the anomalies they noted.

July 17 2014

Strong emperical evidence Israel shot down plane

Plane shoot down: approximately 14:15 UTC. Israeli assault on Gaza: 14:00 UTC. See a connection there? And when you consider the fact that it took time to confirm the downing, the two times actually match even more closely. Israel’s assault on Gaza is viewed badly by the world community, what better way to bury it in the news than a plane shoot down, complete with the threat of a war with Russia?

And even if Russian forces did do this, it only takes a couple Jews among them to cause something like this. In my opinion it is case closed regarding this, with the only question being: was this used as cover for disposal of flight 370? Come on now, TWO MALAYSIA 777 AIRCRAFT IN 4 MONTHS? YEAH RIGHT. Any three year old would catch that B.S. if it involved airplane cookies instead.

UPDATE: Flightradar24.com now shows flight MH17 taking off ON TIME (July 18.) Yet when flight 370 vanished, it took weeks to resume. So either Malaysia airlines has multiple planes on this route, or they did not lose one. AND EVEN WITH THE NEW DEPARTURE TIME ESTIMATED, THE OLD DEPARTURE TIME FOR JULY 17 IS NOT LISTED AND THE FLIGHT STILL SHOWS AS CANCELED.

UPDATE: BUSTED: High level tampering with this web site over MH17 DOCUMENTED. If I log in to administer this web site, and I click the front page link to Flightradar24, I get This version of events, yet if I am not logged in to administer this site and hit the page like a random user, Flightradar switches the page served to THIS PAGE And they show a departure time of 10:31. Why then does this WIKIPEDIA report show the departure time as 10:14? THEY HAVE SCREWED UP AND DID NOT GET THE TIMES STRAIGHT IN THIS FALSE FLAG. PEOPLE HOP ON THIS AND GET AS MANY CONFLICTING TIMES AS POSSIBLE DOCUMENTED.

CONFIRMED:Flightradar24.com is messing with results and screwed up a non existent departure time as proven by THE MSM. This inconsistency first noticed in a Wikipedia post is not a false edit or mistake

Keep in mind it is the minutes that matter here because time zones vary. 10:31 does not equal 6:15 no matter where you are on the globe, and for the record, this now confirms 3 different departure times, proof of a B.S. departure and re-enforcement of the possibility this really was the disposal of flight 370.

Source: Jim Stone Freelance

15 comments

  • So if there where only dead bodies on board where are the victims!!! There is a list victims and they are all missing!! So where are these people now?? 295 people can’t just vanish in thin air. I do find it strange that there is lack of blood. I can’t find evidence that victims are already being identified by DNA proof. At the moment Families are asked for DNA samples to identify. I am not sure this a false flag. Boston Marathon was easy to put in scene. But MH17 is to difficult. You have to come up with a list of victims and since they are indeed missing the question remains where are they??? The bodies will come back and will be identified so they have to be bodies from that list. Why would you want to take 295 people hostage??? You have to kill them anyway so why not shoot down an plane with victims that are alive. Saves a lot of logistics of making 295 people disappear.

    • This one keeps getting stranger by the day. There are so many unanswered questions, and you brought up a lot of points I’ve been thinking about, too. It’s refreshing to see someone using their critical thinking skills when so many have been affected by the fluoride and television. I’m still looking for answers and will continue to post more clues. The passenger list can be found here. Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.

  • I saw this vídeo link refered in your article by your friend Amy ( https://news.vice.com/video/exclusive-footage-of-mh17-aftermath-russian-roulette-dispatch-60 )and the bodies seem too intact to (despite the lack of blood ) not be recognized as people from the missing plane Malaysia Airlines MH-370 . Seems to me too much trouble for them(the false flag makers) to put the bodies of missing MH-370 when they could simply easaly have made all those bodies disapeared months ago (the accident was in 8 of March ) and do not need to take the risks of being discovered (In a suposed MH-17 shot down by russians) bodies from the other missing plane MH-370 ,wouldn´t it be stupid of them taking risks when they could simply get on board all these passengers from Amsterdam to kuala Lumpur in the missing plane MH-370(repainted as MH-17,who would notice the diference? ) and do things look more credible and not risky?there´s something that doesn´t fit unless all these passengers of flight MH-370 don´t exist or are fake identities and probably we would never see people on tv talking about their loved ones on board of MH-17 or they would have to be paid to say their loved ones were onboard and show photos wich seems a stupid thing too- to pay people that later would expose the false flag orchestrating…I´m not saying that it´s not possible that is a false flag event but dead corpses from MH-370 wouldn´t be a tremendous risk if found ?even without DNA tests some of the bodies couldn´t be identified by the families or friends? …but of course it doesn´t mean these people were not dead before the legal time ( released by press) of the accident and used in some kind of political strategy .why the bodies of MH-370 would have to still dead inside of the plane ?,if it was hijacked what can asure us that those people (from MH-370) were killed inside the plane and/or left in decomposition inside of the plane or kept in freeze or killed just somedays before in order to just be used to simulate this crash now ? makes no sense to me!bodies would be the easiest thing to give rid of (unless they needed bodies and all those people from MH-17 are false identities but they it would be discovered by independent forensics and DNA tests- anyway always a big risk for them if they could not control the crash site and all the situation ),would they need to take risks because of corpses from another previous missing plane (mh-370)? …i really don´t know ,but so many entire corpses with almost no blood are strange …and the baggage with so many clean itens such as that white T-shirt saying ” i love Amsterdam” seems like too much convenient for make us think that that flight was in fact MH-17 coming from Amsterdam ,maybe some people opened the bags on the site crash and left there that opened T-shirt on the floor but there are to many inconsistent things and very strange looking obvious things as passports that if were the russians separatists would not need to show those looking clean passports to media …

  • Why did most of the passports did look suspiciously undamaged and new .. ??
    If you had done some background checking on the way a average Dutch citizen uses his/her passport, you might have learned that we (often) only use our passport when going abroad and that we use other ID’s (credit card sized) for normal day-to-day business. If you would have studied the 3 passports shown in the various footage, you might have noticed that the oldest one was issued less then 8 months ago.
    And why they were undamaged? I think they have been looted from luggage taken from parts of the plane that didn’t burn after it hit the ground.

    In regard to the state of decay of the bodies. just keep in mind that the average temperature in July for the Donetsk area is between 79°F to 85°F (26°C to 29°C) and if you check http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/donetsk/323030/july-weather/323030 .. you see that it has been very hot during the first week after the crash.

    In regard to your impossible DNA-identification story : Where did you get your information regarding victims been DNA verified within days after the crash?? First confirmed Identification of a MH17 victim was on July 26th, performed by Malaysian, Australian, UK and Dutch experts.

    I really what to see some evidence supporting your allegations/conclusions and I DARE you to produce that statement of that Dutch doctor.. I DARE you !!

        • I’m interested in what he might say. If you receive a reply, please come back and share with us. Thank you!

      • After 9 days, still no response from freelance “journalist” Jim Stone, on my request to produce this so called statement from a “Dutch doctor” describing the bodies of the MH17 victims, as “not fresh” just a single day after the crash.

        Just typical of a self proclaimed “journalist” to act like this .. taking no responsibility in regard to his ridiculous claims .. SICK

        • Thanks for coming back and letting us know. I was really curious to see if he’d get back to you and I wanted to know more about this mysterious “Dutch doctor”, too. I have my own reservations about some of Mr. Stone’s info. I think he has some valid points in what he publishes but honestly, I think he gets excited and releases articles without thinking them all the way through. There are a lot of great comments people have left here and I’m really glad to see many of you still have your critical thinking skills intact. 🙂 I think Jim Stone’s info might be a case of “take what you need and leave the rest”. He has released some new info about ebola in the last couple of days, but I’ve been hesitant to post it.

      • It has been a fortnight since I wrote mr. Stone a mail requesting a conclusive and fundamental follow-up on his MH17 story. I have still not received a response.

        I regard to you contemplation to whether or not to use his points-of-view in regard to the current Ebola-outbreak, I would like to add that mr. Stone (in my opinion) acts like a old-fashioned gunslinger : quick on the draw and shooting from the hip.. He might occasionally “hit” something..

        • Thank you for coming back with an update. I agree with you and have decided not to publish Jim Stone’s latest updates. This website strives to publish the truth, whatever it may be, and Jim Stones does not appear to stick to the same standards. I wrote to him myself when he claimed that you had to be a “really good hacker” or “in the CIA” to change a photo’s EXIF data. This simply isn’t true. He never got back to me, either. When people call him on his inconsistencies he never prints a retraction or corrects himself, which makes me wonder if he is ruled by ego or has a larger agenda at play. I appreciate that you also stand for the truth! Thanks for your comments.

  • On August 3 2014 freelance “journalist” Jim Stone wrote on his website (www.jimstonefreelance.com) the following piece:

    “An SU-25 COULD NOT have shot down MH17/370 and leave the type of debris seen

    The above is absolutely true, but this report has been pulled pending further work by a reader who is correcting my (probable) errors. This will go up tomorrow with salient points this reader is providing.

    Bottom line? The plane was shot down by guns mounted on fighter jets, that cannot be refuted, but additionally, an SU-25 which tops out at 22,000 feet could not have done this. There are major errors in the SU-25 approach that have to be corrected.

    I initially posted that American stealth fighters then had to have done the dirty work, but this reader has evidence that it may have instead been higher grade Ukrainian fighter aircraft that did it, with the SU-25 reports being a mistake caused by the fact that Ukraine was flying SU-25’s only, up until a couple days before this shoot down. This would have caused the flight controllers to report that it was SU-25’s following MH17/370.

    Ultimately the answer to who did it will be found by confirming exactly what Ukraine was flying that day.”

    His story gets better and better .. or should I say more and more ridiculous ..
    Just to recap. According to freelance “journalist” Jim Stone:
    1) MH370 has not disappeared over the Atlantic ocean, but has been transported (covertly) to Amsterdam with its (dead) passengers on board to depart on July 17, masquerading as flight MH17.
    – His proof being that it is too much of an coincidence that 2 planes of identical make/model of the same Airlines company go missing within 4 months of each other.. This is PROOF??
    2) 298 persons from different nationalities which according to Malaysian Airlines and the Dutch Customs Authorities boarded MH17/370, were according to mr. Stone NEVER on board. Where these persons (including a colleague of my with his family) have cone, is not disclosed by mr. Stone.
    – His proof being that the few passports (+/-20 of 298 = 6,7%) shown in various footage, are too pristine (shiny new, undamaged) to be part of an airplane’s debris.. This is PROOF??
    – He also stated that a Dutch (which is not suspiciously coincidental as the majority of the MH17 passenger are Dutch citizens??) doctor, who somehow found himself at the crash site within a single, have released a statement, that (all??) human remains were in a progressed state of decay. As of yet mr. Stone has not produced any evidence to support this ridiculous claim.
    – He even goes as far as comparing the body of a high rise jumper (suicide) with some gory pictures of the MH17/370 victims, and concludes that there isn’t enough blood to be seen, and therefore the victims would not have been alive when they hit the ground. Jumping from 381m (Empire State Building) where the air pressure is reduce by 4% or falling from 10.000m height where the air pressure is reduced by 75% .. Is a big difference !! This just PROOFS that mr. Stone scientific knowledge and deductive capabilities are very poor.
    3) As soon as flight MH17/370 entered Ukraine airspace, it was followed by (at least 1) Ukraine SU-25 Fighter plane (which is an Air-Ground support plane and only has reach the height of 10.000m during test-flights).
    – His proof is some sketchy story about Spanish air traffic controller(s) stating this, which has been redacted by the original source of this story, the Russian state sponsored TV station RT (Russia Today).
    4) Now it gets a bit unclear what mr. Stone thinks was the cause that brought flight MH17/370 down; Ukrainian SU-25, SU-29, SU-39, USAF Stealth Fighter(s) or …. Furthermore he (again) hides behind a 3th unnamed party (“This Reader”) to provide him with proof, which NEVER followed up by himself.
    – This only proofs that mr. Stone is a very “flexible” in his own beliefs/convictions/conclusions and has very poor journalist skills, let alone he has the thoroughness and tenacity, which would make somebody a good journalist.

  • Just out of curiosity, but have you check mr. Jim Stones latest reports which “proofs” that the Napa (California) earth quake was man made .. (according to his Fukushima report, Israel managed to smuggle nukes into lava tubes and tunnels far underground to trigger earthquakes !!)

    And another report on nano T4 bacteriophage which (again made in Isreal laboratory in 2007), which “proofs” that man made (mechanical) viruses have been released in the populous. While in fact the T4 phage on the photo was the 2005 winner of the “Best Ion MicroGraph” (http://www.zyvexlabs.com/EIPBNuG/EIPBN2005/2005.html#Ion) ..!!

    I wonder what mr. Jim Stones primary motivation is for posting these “stories”

    • Yeah, I’ve checked in on Mr. Stone recently. I can’t quite put my finger on it either. I’m not sure if he’s genuinely trying his best to reveal the cabal’s plots, or if he’s controlled opposition to keep us in a state of confusion/chaos. A lot of his information is actually quite good, but there’s just enough in there that is not – and that makes me question his motives/sources.

      I can say however that there was a lot of evidence that came out after the Fukushima disaster that’s independent of Jim’s reporting that points to Israel as being involved in Fukushima. Here’s one such report from Veteran’s Today: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/30/fukushima-sabotage-japanese-journalist-accuses-israel/

      Unfortunately, none of us are going to know the real truth about any of this until the cabal is taken down. I try to take in information from numerous sources and the best any of us can do is continue connecting dots and use our critical thinking skills to try and untangle this mess. Some day, hopefully soon, we’ll all know the truth.

      Thanks for the info on nano T4. I’ve bookmarked the link you shared and I’ll look into it tonight. Please keep sharing what you find. I appreciate it!

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