By Justin Deschamps

Bill Ryan wrote an article last week entitled, The Truth About Corey Goode, wherein he asserted that the Secret Space Program whistleblower was compromised and inauthentic. Days later, Stillness in the Storm produced an analysis of that article, concluding that what Ryan asserted and presented as evidence was not conclusive and the claims were unsupportable. Goode contacted me and offered to respond to the claims made by Ryan, in an effort to clear the air.

In law, the accused always has the right to respond to their accuser’s because it provides onlookers, usually a jury of peers, the ability to have at least two points of view on the facts at hand. This is important because if one doesn’t respond, only the accuser’s version of events are heard.

Bill Ryan, Project Avalon

We’re living in a reality based on information and knowledge. To manipulate common knowledge—what a person thinks everyone else believes—is to control the masses; this is primarily what propaganda and social engineering is designed to do. This is how the powers that be so skillfully manipulate the unthinking masses, by appealing to their desire to fit in and feel accepted.

A person’s reputation or social image is very important in a world where most people can’t tell image from substance. If people were highly discerning and thought critically, rumors and slander (unsupportable claims stated as fact) wouldn’t be a problem. But in our world, such things can mean the difference between life and death. Most people won’t even entertain an idea if they question the character of the person sharing it—which in and of it self is a problem.

By responding to these claims, Goode has an opportunity to clear the air, and restore his reputation and continue to do the work he came here to do.

Goode Responds to Ryan

What follows are Ryan’s claims presented to Goode as series of questions. Additionally, Goode has some closing commentary.

1. Ryan claims that, in 2014-2015 you sent him a series of messages one evening, and the next morning denied that you sent them. Ryan claims you were “split-minded” or under some kind of mind influence. He further claims that the messages were on each of your computers, which he apparently confirmed later. He asserts that all of this is an indication you are untrustworthy. How do you respond?

Goode: I do not remember this incident with the details provided. There was quite a lot of extreme drama on that Forum that lead [sic] up to me closing my account. It would be easy to verify where emails came from by tracing the Host Header of the Email’s [sic]in question. I would need more details about his claims to respond fully.

2. Ryan claims that you lied about when you came forward after leaving Project Avalon, saying that it was being outed by Ryan and Kerry Cassidy that ended your IT career. Ryan asserts that you were not employed during the Christine interview that took place in late 2014; therefore, you misrepresented yourself to the public by saying you lost your career. How do you respond?

Goode: I never claimed that I was fired due to Bill Ryan (BR) or Kerry Cassidy (KC). I was already going through a workers comp injury that involved 3 surgeries. I was fired illegally from that job after the injury. It was not a career ending injury and I was receiving dozens of job offers while going through surgeries.

I told Kerry Cassidy repeatedly that I would only provide information anonymously. After it was clear I would not do an interview she posted my name on her website and several times in one of her YouTube videos. She then refused to remove my name from both locations. I was in a panic for the safety of my family and my career. Finally, I was forced to send all of the Skype and Email conversations to YouTube/Google’s complaint department. She was receiving her third strike with YouTube (Which would close her channel) and emailed me asking me to remove my complaint agreeing to remove my name from her website and video. I removed the complaint and we have kept this out of the public until now. All of this is documented. I have all of the documentation to backup the fact that I was outed on Project Camelot by Kerry’s “executive decision.” Not only did this put my family in extreme danger, but then made it almost impossible for me to be hired in the IT field. Before these companies let you anywhere near their data or infrastructure, they do background checks and social media searches. If you claim to talk to non-terrestrials… They are not letting you near their Billion Dollar Data!

3. Ryan claims that while you were participating in the Project Avalon forums, you were counseling various MILAB whistleblowers, apparently without permission from the moderators. Ryan feels this was a grave breach of trust on your part and is evidence, in his mind, that you have nefarious intentions. Were you asked not to do this? How do you respond? 

Goode: Not at all true. I never counseled a single MILAB. I only listened to their information and referred them to a regression therapist. I spoke to BR and his wife at the time, Christine, about assisting the MILABs that began to reach out after my first interview. BR and the moderators began to let people in this confidential group willy nilly without any real vetting. I had no hand in bringing MILABs to this group. My first interview was being used to draw in MILABs and the way things were handled, it made the Forum feel like a “honey pot” to draw in these people. This group became infiltrated very quickly and the normal “Forum Drama” began to occur. Some of these MILABs began to reach out to me personally with concerns about how the Forum group was being handled. This all turned into one of many disagreements between BR and myself.

4. Ryan claims that your wife, Stacy, made a false accusation that Ryan was a member of the Church of Scientology. And that in the subsequent scuttlebutt, Stacy revealed in her commentary that you, Goode, where asked to produce a dossier on Ryan by “high authorities,” a senior member of the church. Ryan contends that this is evidence you are working as an agent for an insidious group. How do you respond? 

Goode: No one from any Scientology “like” organizations contacted me. Ever! No one from that organization asked me to produce a dossier on BR. 

Bill Ryan on Scientology

The way the forum members responded to the situation was typical of internet forums and a lesson to anyone to stay away from them. They are highly infiltrated by agents as well as a platform for narcissistic and sociopathic individuals. All you have to do is read some of the posts and feel the venomous energy behind them. The one recently posted on me is an obvious example of that forums history.

5. Ryan claims that you were given access to an FBI database, and told Ryan as much in a skype message. He asserts this is further evidence you are an agent. How do you respond?

Goode: So, if anyone that is investigating a topic or a person in this field is given access to government documents that makes them an agent? Wouldn’t that make every researcher in this field an agent by that standard? 

If you look at my LinkedIn profile you will see that I received FEMA certifications when in the Texas State Guard. 

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While in those training sessions we rubbed shoulders with FEMA, FBI and other federal and local law enforcement and disaster response agencies. I was also a member of the FBI’s “Infraguard” program. People should join and see what that is for themselves. I actually believed I was getting much more access than was available. It is a place to report cyber crimes and monitor them in real time. This tool is used for corporations to report or review reports of real-time hacking attacks and how to mitigate them.  

I was not given access to any database other than the real-time hacking and malware data coming from the Infraguard website. I was provided pieces of files and a couple redacted files on certain individuals that were coming together to attack me. There were a number of people from this forum that were pointed out to me as being extremely compromised. I have received files and data from contacts I made. 

I have had no access to the FBI Database… Ever. No matter what other doctored or misquoted communications BR posts.

6. Ryan claims that you started a blog after leaving the Project Avalon forums and were attempting to smear him and others there. How do you respond? 

Goode: After the attacks on my wife and I, I was triggered and posted a lot of true and verified information about BR and his business practices and people that he has had business relations within South America (companies he has started etc…). I believe these pages are still available on Google archives if anyone wants to track them down. I did post that information during the height of the “Forum Wars of 2015” on my blog and them removed them a few months later after I cooled off. There were a lot of threads that I posted that others followed up on. I suggest people look into more of BR’s past that is available online for anyone to find.

7. Ryan claims that your story changed when you began speaking to David Wilcock, that it was “more polished” than the testimony you gave to Christine in 2014, which they took to mean, you concocted your story. How do you respond?

Goode: How did it “change”? When Christine came to my house to do the first interview, I had just had the “entity attachment” release that was causing me to have anxiety attacks or verbally stammer while trying to talk about these experiences. Interestingly enough, it was a disagreement over removing entity attachments that triggered BR and caused our final disagreement. Christine captured my first attempt to speak openly about all of this. It can be found on my SBA YouTube Channel. My testimony has evolved and been expounded upon in Cosmic Disclosure.

8. Ryan claims that an unnamed intelligence agent contacted him saying that he has video footage of a conversation between you and your wife Stacey, wherein you were formulating the plan to deceive David Wilcock, captured via webcam activation. Ryan did not supply this footage. How do you respond? 

Goode: Un-named intelligence agent = Shane Bales AKA “The Ruiner” who was exposed as a pathological liar and caught on many occasions making things up about myself and David Wilcock. He is not an intel agent by any stretch of the imagination. BR avoided using this “agents” name for a reason. The screen shot of a skype conversation, clearly edited, was from Shane. BR himself (along w/his forum) came out against this person as being untrustworthy. This usually happens with anyone that falls out of BR’s good graces, but he was correct on this occasion. If this guy is a super hacker that infiltrated my network and turned on my laptop mic and video camera, then why trust any of the screen shots or other information that he provided BR and the Forum in question? 

This is one more unfounded accusation (disinformation) and BR knows it. I have never had a conversation remotely like that with Stacy. I say post the video! Show it! Put up or shut up… This is Shane Bales we are talking about. 

Again I say, post that alleged video footage. It doesn’t exist. If this footage was lied about, how can anyone trust any of BR’s other accusations against me? Or others for that matter. Think about it. 

[You can review Kerry Cassidy’s opinion on this matter here, where she disagree’s with some of Ryan’s claims about whistle blowers.]

9. Ryan further claims that the same intelligence agent contact sent a screenshot of a skype conversation between the agent and yourself, wherein you said “you are now on the payroll… so am I.. it is what it is.” Since the original release of Ryan’s article, some have come forward refuting the screenshot as a forgery, saying your chat messages were altered. Did you actually send this message and is what appears the image your words? If so, how do you explain what these mean? How do you respond?

Goode: I did speak w/Shane in skype until DW and I caught him in a number of fabrications. The conversation in question was edited somehow, but some of the terms were used. We were talking about how we thought we [sic]were done with all of these programs. Being forced “back on the payroll” is a way of saying that I was being forced back into working with these groups again in an [sic]professional like status. This was taken and made to look like I was being paid by the powers that be. I have never been paid to be in the SSP “Programs,” nor am I now. I have never received any payments from the powers that be. This statement was taken out of context to purposely make me look like an agent by either Shane or BR.

It was reported to me that BR has also told people that he had an investigator look into me and found that I was receiving payments from “government sources”. BR cannot back up any of his accusations with evidence that stands up.

10. Ryan claims that the bulk of your testimony is a “carbon copy” of other whistle blowers, and that your claims are just too wild to believe, thus, in his mind, you can’t be authentic. How do you respond?

Goode: Once my information violated BR’s UFO religion, things went south very quickly. This is easy to verify by looking at Forum records (unless deleted or edited once more) his forum is controlled like a small totalitarian country. You either tow the line or you [sic]are either pushed out by other loyal forum members or are “un-subscribed” from the forum. If you do not believe me, open up an account there and speak your mind for a few weeks. You will wish you hadn’t. This is what occurred in 2015. 

He and others in that Forum have claimed I data mine and steal other people’s testimony. This was claimed about William Tompkins as well. Even though my info came out prior. You really have to look into these people and see their venomous attacks on a number of people other than myself. If you do the research you will see a clear pattern of behavior and accusations. This group seems to follow this pattern in an unbroken cycle. That is one reason I have warned people about hanging out in forums.

11. Ryan claims that if you were an authentic whistle blower, you would have never been allowed to continue talking. He seems to imply that you have had no problems with various authorities in sharing your testimony, that it has been 100% “approved” by high-level players in the programs. Is this implication true? How do you respond?

Goode: By Bill’s logic, William Tompkins, Clifford Stone, Pete Peterson, etc, are all liars or agents since they are still alive after coming forward. Does Bill believe that Steven Greer and his list of whistleblowers who testified in 2001 are also liars or agents since they are all alive? What about all of the people they interviewed on Project Camelot? They would all be liars or agents according to this logic. 

As William Tompkins has testified a faction of the US Navy is now wanting all of this disclosed. They gave him the green light to report on the same programs I was involved in. He had direct approval to release his information. Being that I was in these programs, I was given more protection when it came to being a whistle-blower. 

I have had an attempt to poison me at the airport, have had Chinooks flying over my house (I’m nowhere near an airbase) and have had multiple targeting lasers from sniper rifles appear on my chest while outside with my children. Most recently I ended up in the emergency room from an attack. 

Sadly, most of the most threatening attacks occurred when some of these forum members began to find out where I lived. I had a number of these forum members stalking me online. The line was drawn for me when some of them began to show up around my home and began to harass my family. We moved and took security precautions very quickly after a few incidents around my house.

BR himself had told me that I needed to come out in a big way to ensure the safety of my family. He asserted that if I was public, if the powers that be killed me it would just validate my testimony. This is also what Gaia told me and what made me to agree to Cosmic Disclosure.

I have not recycled anyone’s information.

12. Ryan claims that you are a conscious deceiver, that you know your story is untrue and are promoting it anyway. How do you respond?

Goode: He claims that I’m not really an IT professional as well. I invite people to check my references from my Linkedin Profile as well as verify my MCSE and A+ Certifications. I was in the IT Field for over 20 years and this is easily provable.

[An article written by Corey Goode from 2003, protesting IT jobs moving to India, suggesting he did work as an IT professional: Outsourcing to India: Offshore Debate Rages.]

As far as being a conscious deceiver. What is he basing this on? His opinion? The collective opinion of his forum? He certainly isn’t basing this accusation off of the reverse speech analysis that showed no deception. Or the recent video of people studying my body language where they also concluded “Corey believes what he is saying”?

Closing Comments from Goode

These are just more unfounded accusations made by this group.

Out of over 300,000 fans, there are less than 50 detractors on Avalon. To call this a noisy minority would be an understatement.

Since this has occurred I have had many emails forwarded to me by individuals that had originated from Bill Ryan (BR), campaigning against me. Not only has he been on an email campaign to try to discredit me but has also worked behind the scenes with others to co-ordinate attacks. This is more like the behavior of an agent than anything I have done.

BR told me that a close friend that was a private investigator was looking into me. What did he find? Nothing! BR needs to back up his claims with something other than his opinion, referencing mysterious evidence he cannot share or speculation. These types of accusations require proof! Not doctored “proof” from his forum.

All I can say is do some research on this forum and all involved with its forum leader. Once you read their energy and see what drama has occurred in that forum you can “consider the source” and move on like everyone else does.

All of the above accusations are either completely fabricated by BR or others from the forum or were once facts that have been twisted to a point of being unrecognizable. The forum post by BR “the Truth About Corey Goode” is a clear dis-info campaign. Remember, people tend to accuse you of what they would do in the exact situation. When they accuse you of something, pay close attention, you will learn much about your attacker.

My policy has been not to respond to these individuals. It just gives a wider audience to their feeding frenzy energy. These attacks pop up on the RADAR and quickly disappear, usually backfiring on the attacker. I expect this one will be no different. This is a very small forum with a very dubious history and is highly infiltrated. These attacks have occurred in cycles and they change them up trying to find something that sticks.

I have received quite a lot of information about how some of these people are coordinating in the background. Some of them even plan on attending Contact in the Desert to stir up problems between Dr. Greer and myself as well as do some ambush videos of them making scenes during presentations. How does this bring unity to the community? Divide and conquer is a Cabal tactic.

I will end my final response to these attacks by saying, research these people. Take a close look at their language and energy, and the evidence used to support their claims, then consider the source. There is nothing to their accusations but speculation and deceitful assertions.

We are trying to bring a bit of “Unity in the Community” so we can focus the energy of those who want to work together on disclosure. We are trying to organize people under the idea that none of us knows the entire truth. We can put aside the differences in our belief systems (reality bubbles) and work together for full disclosure. We will have to weed out those who only want division or have professional jealousy issues if we ever want disclosure.

In my opinion these people are self-identifying and are minimizing their selves in this field even further than they have with previous actions.

Corey Goode

Closing Remarks

I reached out to Bill Ryan and asked if he would like to respond, with the goal of settling the controversy so we can get back to fixing the planet. He has yet to reply, but should he, I will produce an update accordingly.

One last point I want to raise, with respect to discernment, is that in order to determine if a claim is true, it must be judged on its merits—it must be compared to reality to see if it matches. If this comparison cannot take place, then we can’t definitively discern what’s going on, we can only guess and wait for more information. And most importantly, avoid resting our beliefs only on our guesses.

Sometimes verifying a claim is easy, like looking outside can confirm or deny a prediction about the weather. But in other cases, discernment is not so simple. When we can’t access evidence ourselves, first hand, then we need to learn how navigate uncertainty.

For example, Ryan’s claim that Goode deceived David Wilcock was based on another claim by someone who said they had footage of the event in question. In discerning this claim, first we need to properly understand what is being said and what is cited as evidence in support. In this case, the claim of Goode’s deceptiveness with respect to Wilcock rests on another claim that footage of the event exists. The footage itself would need to be produced so that the all claims can be verified. But since we have no such evidence, then the claim cannot be verified and it remains unconfirmed.

At this point, no definitive judgement or discernment can take place; the only thing that can be done is to speculate on what might have happened based on the evidence one does have available. What tends to happen in this situation is people assume that lack the of evidence is evidence of something else—however this is a logical fallacy. Claims require positive evidence to confirm. In such cases when there is no evidence, a credibility assessment can give us a guess, but that’s all it is.

Credibility tells us how likely a person’s future statements are to be true based on how truthful they were in the past. But contrary to popular belief, if a person is deemed to be “credible,” it doesn’t mean they can be believed without question. In other words, while credibility can be a useful guide, it cannot verify a claim’s veracity—at all. Credible people can say untrue things; and incredible people can say true things. But as was just described, personal verification trumps credibility because we who are discerning gain a detailed comprehension of what happened, which cuts through any attempts at deception.

In this case, we don’t really know if the footage exists or not. But based on the credibility of Ryan with respect to the evidence used to support his claims about Goode, or lack there of, it can be asserted that Goode has more credibility than Ryan. Goode is more objective while Ryan is unobjective with respect to his stated beliefs. And therefore, Ryan’s claim that Goode and his wife Stacey deceived Wilcock is likely untrue. But again, this is just a argument based on credibility and has little weight to it. Such an exercise is valuable for its ability to guide our consciousness through an exploration, providing new insights along the way.

While it can feel unsettling not to have definitive answers, learning to navigate uncertainty is very useful. Especially since the vast majority of our beliefs and assumptions we use to navigate the world were likely never verified with evidence—or may not even be our own beliefs. This means if we’re not careful, we’ll fall into the trap of assuming our beliefs can’t be questioned, and we won’t bother re-evaluating them.

This episode between Ryan and Goode presented us, the outsiders, with a good opportunity to test our discernment skills, and learn how to evaluate claims objectively. And it’s helping to ferret out any potential disagreements as the need for unity increases with each passing day.

Although discussions like this can take on an air of unpleasantness, we need to be able to talk about things freely and openly—especially those things that are hard to deal with. For the truth must shine brightly in order for it to set the mind free.

Justin

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Justin Deschamps is a truth seeker inspired by philosophy and the love of wisdom in all its forms. He was formally trained in physics and psychology, later discovering the spiritual basis of reality and the interconnected nature of all things. He strives to find the path of truth while also walking it himself, sharing what he knows with others so as to facilitate cooperative change for a better future. He is a student of all and a teacher to some. Follow on Twitter @sitsshow, Facebook Stillness in the Storm, and steemit @justin-sits.

This article (Corey Goode Responds to Claims Made by Bill Ryan) was originally published on Stillness in the Storm and syndicated by The Event Chronicle


14 Comments

  1. We have to be careful with disinformation, or even control over the people who are helping in the liberation of the Planet.
    I see Corey Goode as a serious person and very willing to help humanity.

  2. Hi guys n’ gals. My perception of the matter is, as Corey has correctly inferred above, forums and the like are minefields; and I choose to keep them at arms length – admittedly, I will read comments and yield to the slow burn inflicted upon my own ‘perception’ of things… However, I have made countless visits to the Project Avalon Forum/Comments (as a guest) and it is one of the most infiltrated areas of ‘debate’ I have encountered – it is pregnant with trolls and shills, who will attack others in Persona (and Bill appears to have no control over the matter whatsoever).

    And, although I respect Bill (and Kerry) unconditionally (I’ve met them both in person btw). I am disheartened to see how it appears to me that Bill has been compromised beyond all serious doubt; and I believe it resulted from his exposure of the “Anglo-saxon Mission” materials (c 2011); and how Kerry considers her ‘whistle-blowers’ beyond all reproach whilst carpet bombing her respective interviewees’ sources…

    I agree with Justin as regards Bill’s comments about Corey – the evidence thereof is sparse. As regards Corey’s data; and I mean no disrespect to Corey; I take it with a ‘pinch of salt’, and leave a bit on the tip of my finger to ingest after I’ve endeavored to do some cross-referencing and serious research, which is difficult to accomplish satisfactorily as respects the subject matter (and that doesn’t suggest to me that Corey is a wilful dis-info’ agent in any way shape or form – it might suggest that Corey is being fed dis-info by unscrupulous and various agents provocateurs).

    Bill is out-of-line to make claims that he cannot substantiate, and with equal consideration. However, giving Bill the benefit of the doubt, he’s probably being gas-lighted by the trolls and shills occupying his forum.

    Love on Dudes and let your yin hug your yang

    • Here’s an ex-Avalonean speaking. Forums and the like are minefields indeed, Mike. They provide us with the most unexpected surprises, even creating rabbit holes for goggle-eyed rabbits 😉 Keep on trucking with a touch of Feng Shui in the mix.

  3. Once some time ago, years ago, I visited the Project Avalon forum just to read some of the posts, see if it was anything I would be interested in. I found a small bit of it interesting, yet there was a lot of negative information, people accusing others of all kinds of things. A rats nest, if you will. Have not been back.

    The whole group reminds me of middle school girls, looking for way to discredit others, flinging accusations around and patting each other on the head when doing so. Bad energy, for sure.

    • Greg Prescott of In5D did a voice analysis back in 2015, shortly after Cosmic Disclosure first aired. I’m not familiar with the software he used, NanoVoice, but here is the link and the analysis:

      Corey Goode’s GaiamTV Interview And Voice Analysis

      There have been a lot of attacks lately and I see that as the cabal getting desperate. Hang in there. You have my support.

      Thanks, Corey.

  4. Greg Prescott’s analysis appears to be fair; although, not conclusive in my perception/opinion. More to the point, Mr. Prescott’s wording is impeccable and with equal consideration for all concerned; and he has hit the nail head-wise as respects “the harvest” – I’m not so much skeptical as very concerned…

    I have noted from the Project Avalon forum that Bill has done an interview with Dark Journalist (haven’t listened to it yet) as regards the above… I just hope and pray that all the potential mud-slinging will cease and desist and all concerned will come together and heal their differences, which let’s face it, are based upon perceptions and presumptions – so what’s there to get heated about?

    Let’s all chill and connect as source intended dudes

    • I have the Dark Journalist interview in the queue. I have a lot of respect for Daniel and his interviews, but I’m debating whether or not to post it because I’m weary of the the mud slinging as well. I need to finish listen to the interview before I decide one way or another.

  5. So, Bill has made it official now, having unreservedly labelled an individual as a ‘pathological liar’ because that individual cannot satisfactorily substantiate certain data points. In this instance and pursuant to maxims of “law” Bill has caused a controversy based, for the greater part, upon assumptions (I cannot find another way of putting it at present). I have no problem, whatsoever, with Bill having perceived Corey’s testimony as false; however, what jars me most are the blatant double standards at play here… by that I mean (using two examples here) did Bill apply the same scathing critique when Bob Dean told him (and Kerry, on camera) that he’d spent time upon a mother ship and eaten a meal from a replicator, and George Green told him that he’d written the ‘Messages For The Ground Crew’ series with assistance from the Plaedians (and just for the record both Bob’s and George’s testimonies resonated with me entirely and I purchased more than one copy of the ‘Handbook’ series for family and friends)? Now I don’t have any clue, whatsoever, how either Bob or George might have “substantiated” their respective testimonies; nonetheless, their declarations are no less controversial than anything claimed by Corey, yet Bill chooses to zealously question the latter – I personally find that very odd.

    Furthermore, I find it odd that Bill has not considered the issue as regards the ‘cabal’ losing its authority and influence over/upon potential whistle-blowers. I perceive that there is enough evidence in the mainstream and alternative medias, which reasonably suggests that those who are of the “service to others” ilk, have, and are making a stand, against the “service to self” factions, which might just be an indicator that the resources used to shut whistle-blowers up aren’t as they once were, ergo, they (whistle-blowers) have more autonomy, and assistance, to do their thing without malevolent interjection.

    One only needs to take the time to read Edward Gibbon’s “History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” to discern that these matters of self-destruction invariably start from the ranks within; and the current cabal’s end will be no different – we are witnessing the very same almost on a daily basis me thinks; equally, perhaps Corey appears to be getting all the breaks because (for example) the time is right as regards issues of convergence and paradigm alignment, time and/or reality shifts…

    There is no doubting that pathological liars do exist in the public arena, but to label Corey as one under the current circumstances and criteria is extraordinary, albeit; other whistle-blowers (genuine or otherwise) will perhaps think twice before exposing their particular Truths; and they should ALL have the opportunity pursuant to free will to expose their insynchronous kernels of Truth, and without malice or ill will directed at them in Persona. The awakened audience is Human enough to make their own discernment confidentially and relevant to their own experiences and journeys, and without unnecessary controversies.

    I’ll say no more until I’ve heard part two of Bill’s interview, except Bill must seriously consider, in the first instance, bringing remedy to the controversy he is willfully perpetuating.